Episode Transcript
[00:00:05] Speaker A: Well, here we are again, faced with a nation of crime. Not everything is a crime, but there's a lot going on as we cover it off every week here on tpl. Paul Micucci joins me to talk Crimes of the Nation. Thanks, man, for doing this. Well, the first one, as a parent of, you know, several kids, this OSAP thing has me just reeling.
[00:00:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm bummed out, Mike. When I. When I hear these stories, I just think to myself, my goodness, something that's supposed to be so good and such a great program gone so wrong.
[00:00:36] Speaker A: The Ontario Ministry of Colleges and Universities, led by Minister Nolan Quinn, is investigating potential misuse of osap. Three Academy. Three Academy of Learning campuses, Opulence Education Group, another one, are challenging their removal from OSAP eligibility. So the reason for it is that thousands and thousands of applications and payments were made to students through programs at these schools that all came from now, what looks like the same IP address. In other words, they were just being processed,
[00:01:11] Speaker B: Right? Yeah. So, you know, Mike, right away, you know, allegations haven't been proven in court. So right now it's their allegations. The Academy of Learning is that denied wrongdoing and reported corrective steps. Reporting does not establish personal wrongdoing by either founder. So,
[00:01:27] Speaker A: okay, so they've already responded to this.
[00:01:30] Speaker B: Yeah, they're saying they haven't done it, but there's some really, you know, listen, some of the things that popped up in this are.
There definitely have some challenges around them and some red flags that you wonder. So the OSAP amount paid in one year doubled, and went up from like 500 million to 1 billion.
[00:01:52] Speaker A: That's what I read from
[00:01:54] Speaker B: a. From a provincial perspective. So you think, quite frankly, someone somewhere along the way would have said, okay, let's. Let's do a reasonable test on this and see how reasonable this. So the number of new students, the average amount of OS app. Because we took a look before the show, Mike, we were doing some math on kind of what OSAP payments would likely be.
Excuse me. And, you know, it's expensive, right? So tuition is roughly 8,000, rent, 8,000, groceries another 3,000.
And then, you know, you'd be looking at transportation. So you're looking at roughly about 20k.
[00:02:38] Speaker A: That sounds right.
[00:02:39] Speaker B: To send a kid to school on osap.
[00:02:41] Speaker A: In my personal experience, that sounds just about right. And it depends, of course, on your qualifications to get that. But if, for example, you have net zero income and you're a student in Ontario and your family has disowned you, or you're not able to Rely on your family, you get the maximum. Osap.
[00:03:05] Speaker B: A very quick favor before we continue. A large percentage of you who watch or listen to TPL Media every week aren't subscribed yet. Our simple commitment to you is that if you find value there, if these discussions make you think, if you want our uncensored debates, deeper dives and extended sit downs, head over to TPLMedia CA and subscribe there directly. It takes just five seconds, costs nothing, keeps you informed. So thank you. Now back to the show. So, so now the, the allegations are, what's coming out is quite frankly there's a bunch of recruiters or a recruiter, I don't know how many recruiters, and they're basically filling out the forms, enrolling these people and putting them into the course or a course, whatever course they have, whether it's it health care, finance, whatever. Right,
[00:04:00] Speaker A: yeah. Well, if you take a look at the campuses involved, one in Brampton, one in North York, one in Bay street, you know, total enrollment of students. By the way, I never really paid attention to any of these schools. So that they had 6,000 enrolled students was shocking to me. But 3,136 of those, or 52% of the applications were processed for OSAP at just one of the locations.
3460 of 6000 students, 57% at another.
And at their Bay street location, 1700 of 6900 or 25% of their students were funded by OSAP in various degrees, but mostly to the max.
[00:04:46] Speaker B: Right. So this is, so this is 20,000, roughly 20,000 a student on average.
Excuse me again. And they basically, they got the full amount. They went to a bank, I guess they, the recruiters helped them fill out the loan apps, they got the loans, they disappeared, they put them into the school. I'm trying to figure out how this.
[00:05:11] Speaker A: So now I think what, what happens is this just guarantees the enrollment in their school. Frankly, all of, all of the rest becomes the loan ownership of the students that are associated with them. But what was really shocking,
[00:05:26] Speaker B: so they never show up at the school. They, they roll in the school, I guess they pay the 8,000.
[00:05:32] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:05:33] Speaker B: And they never show up at the school. They go get a job.
[00:05:36] Speaker A: I don't know. I mean that's a great question. Is there any validity to any of these students that were actually going on?
But there's some other evidence that's a little shocking on that front.
[00:05:46] Speaker B: Right.
[00:05:46] Speaker A: And that is that some of these agent forces were actually completing programs using AI technology and running the entire curriculum for said students so that they didn't fall behind in their programs. Also, when surveyed, many of the students at these schools couldn't tell you, or a shocking number, I guess, couldn't tell you what the program was they were enrolled in.
[00:06:13] Speaker B: Right. Yeah, well, that's where I'm thinking, Mike. I'm just trying to read between the lines and figure out how it benefits everyone.
Because every scam, every, every, you know, white collar crime or every crime like this, quite frankly, has two parts to it. Right. One is the person, you know, the, let's say the institution, and the other is quite frankly the individual. Right. So, you know, quite frankly, from a college perspective, or they basically get the fee.
[00:06:43] Speaker A: Well, it's funny that you say that because if you think about it, in May of this year, the three campuses were among six schools barred from OSAP citing the inability to reliably determine genuine studies.
[00:06:58] Speaker B: Yeah,
[00:06:59] Speaker A: okay. August 2026, the ministry issues its final decision. The schools are challenged, are challenging it in court.
Further measures include KPMG audit, an OPP referral and a pause on OSAP payments to all private post secondary institutions and proposed accountability legislation. That's a big one.
Whether the OPP referral includes specific allegations against the Academy of Learning is unknown at the moment, but it has been put before them for criminal purposes.
[00:07:30] Speaker B: Right.
[00:07:31] Speaker A: You would assume by the time you get all that distance in this investigation, there have been every indication that this is a criminal operation.
[00:07:43] Speaker B: Oh yeah, for sure.
You'd assume, you know, they'll have enough evidence to do whatever they're going to do with it. But, but you honestly, Mike, just doing the reasonable tests from the onset, you think someone in government would have figured out something was going awry.
So simple test now. Unless they don't know, quite frankly, which we've talked about on other shows, if you don't know how many people are immigrating here and you don't know how many people are here on an education, you know, a permit that allows them to go to school, an academic permit, then quite frankly, if you don't have the stats, I guess you can't do the reasonable test. And that's the challenge. Why do we.
[00:08:22] Speaker A: Well, I do think to that degree there was so much immigration, so many foreign students in our country at the time that most people probably just went, okay, the increase in use of these schools is because of immigration.
When now we're finding out that it's these agents, these fake schools, potentially or not easy to justify schools. And by the way, just once again, all charges alleged and we'll see what happens. But these were the focus points.
[00:08:48] Speaker B: But these. These recruiters who are going and getting people are going to the countries.
They're taking a big fee, $1,000 or $2,000. They're getting them in, and then they're starting them into the course by signing them up to the course again. Where are they? Where are they? And they still, you know, when this gets unraveled and looked at, will they be implicated in all this? And will they have any penalties or fines or.
It's a lot of money, Mike. We're talking. At the end of the day, what is the quantum of this?
Like,
[00:09:24] Speaker A: how much money
[00:09:24] Speaker B: are we talking?
[00:09:25] Speaker A: There's no direct correlation between what's gone on here and immigration.
There hasn't been any real linkage at the moment between those two. So the truth is, we should have just had an eye on this.
[00:09:41] Speaker B: Yeah, but this is several hundred million dollars, not just with this institution, but across
[00:09:47] Speaker A: several boards.
[00:09:48] Speaker B: So if this thing levels off and it's 2,300 million dollars, it just never. It just disappears, I guess.
[00:09:55] Speaker A: Okay, well, no crime charge at the moment on this one, but definitely something nefarious going on. Thought we'd mention it out of the gate. This is a really wild story, and I hate hearing these stories. I'm glad there's been a rescue. 97 dogs have been rescued from a Fort McMurray home, and a woman has been charged with animal cruelty.
61, by the way. 61 of the dogs have been placed in permanent homes, 25 are awaiting surgeries, and all 98 dogs eventually were accounted for on the property, which is good news.
[00:10:30] Speaker B: Can I. Can I throw some at you here, Mike? Just. And I picked this one up in the News, and Fort McMurray.
You know, one of the things I've advocated for and I've talked about, and I think some of the mayoral candidates in the elections that just happened across the nation have talked about we need better wellness checks in our communities. So as things like this happen, you know, we can't. We tend to turn a blind eye. But, you know, the neighbors, when. You know, when you pass dog 50, someone's got a timeout because these dogs are not well cared for. And quite frankly, they're. They. You know, if you leave a bunch of dogs together long enough, it becomes a pack, and then they become wild. So then, unfortunately, if this had gone on any longer, it might have resulted in a bunch of dogs being put down because they become.
It's a packed mentality, right? They. They eat each other they, it's a very tough environment because they lack food resources. So these are all the things that you know, we, we need to pay attention to. But you know, this isn't just about dogs. And this, this lady, this 51 year old woman who's
[00:11:37] Speaker A: about keeping an eye on the neighborhood.
[00:11:38] Speaker B: Exactly. So like when you're, you know, and I noticed
[00:11:41] Speaker A: see that.
[00:11:43] Speaker B: I don't know, for a lot of you, we just had Halloween and I was going around the neighborhood I'm in right now and I gotta tell you, there's, you know, and I said to my wife when I got home, there's some odd homes, like, you know, the lights are off and quite frankly, you know, it's a very. And you know, I wonder all the time when you see the people entering the home. There's some odd things going on. So you know, wellness checks on your neighbors, wellness checks on your neighborhood. You know, it's an easy way, but it also eliminates some challenges down the road that I think we all see. And
[00:12:18] Speaker A: what I found sad about this is this was somebody's best intention gone off the rails. You could tell this lady wanted to do a dog rescue. She was trying to do something. And honestly there has to. This is, you're right, this is a wellness check. To be able to go in and say, look, we understand your intention but you can't do this anymore. For the sake of the dogs, for the sake of the community
[00:12:38] Speaker B: and for yourself and health. And health reason. Yeah, the dogs.
[00:12:41] Speaker A: You know, Paul, to your point, I'm driving across through Manitoba and passing just on the TransCanada highway of all things. I passed an abandoned school. And in that schoolyard and I showed you the photos are three fairly new cars.
[00:12:56] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:56] Speaker A: That have been abandoned there and completely spray painted. I'm going to say that they are all cars that are three.
[00:13:02] Speaker B: You showed me.
[00:13:03] Speaker A: And
[00:13:03] Speaker B: with Paul
[00:13:04] Speaker A: and I go down the road 3km and they're doing speed trapping.
[00:13:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:13:10] Speaker A: And I thought to myself, I wonder if anybody wants to check on those stolen cars back there.
[00:13:14] Speaker B: Yeah. In that warehouse. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:13:16] Speaker A: It's very, very odd, sad story.
The next one an rcmp. Well, this was a bad day at work, I think for these police. RCAP officer is cleared after a man is shot in the face during a 12 hour Grand Prairie standoff. Paul, paint the picture of what these police were dealing with.
[00:13:38] Speaker B: Yeah. So Shufeld, who's the suspect, he refused to surrender. He fired a gun towards the police multiple times. He barricaded himself which would look like a, like a train Like a subway train. So they had to go get a skid, which.
An automatic remote control robotic skid ster, tie it up to the vehicle.
And then they. And they attempted negotiations. They used drones, they used chemical agents, armored vehicles. And they finally got the schizard. They started to pull the. It was an rv, by the way. Sorry? It was a train, but it was an rv. They pulled it out. Windows broken, shot through. They pulled it out.
He finally came out.
He comes out with a large knife. He starts to make his way back in.
And the officer had a non lethal weapon, kind of like the. Less lethal.
[00:14:32] Speaker A: Less lethal.
[00:14:33] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, less lethal. Great. Product
[00:14:35] Speaker A: launcher.
[00:14:35] Speaker B: Launcher.
He shot it. He had slipped on ice and it hit him in the head.
[00:14:41] Speaker A: Oh, okay. So instead of getting shot in the head with a real gun and his life ending there, he took one in the face with a projectile.
[00:14:49] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:14:49] Speaker A: Lucky guy.
[00:14:50] Speaker B: Yeah, he did. And so, you know, they did a hearing. They had a hearing. And, you know, I think it's the right decision. I want to shout out to the investigators. They came back and he was absolved of. I guess
[00:15:05] Speaker A: what happened
[00:15:05] Speaker B: was shooting and everything was good. So the cops. I wanted to note that one because I think that's important to note. And that was in Grand Prairie, Alberta.
[00:15:16] Speaker A: Well, you got to think that was the best possible outcome, actually, Paul.
[00:15:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:15:20] Speaker A: For this guy and for the police.
[00:15:22] Speaker B: Well, think about how heralding or how brave they were, because quite frankly, this gentleman or individual who came out had a gun previously, he's carrying a large knife.
They got it all resolved.
It went on for 12 hours.
[00:15:39] Speaker A: Yeah. And this is normally a death by cop scenario, Right. Well, instead it turned into an injury.
[00:15:48] Speaker B: Yeah. So resolved, which is great. And then the. The officer was also cleared, which is terrific.
[00:15:57] Speaker A: That's fantastic. I guess he slipped in the process of trying to launch at the guy, and instead of getting him in the leg, which is, you know, an easier thing with a launcher, I think, than people know, it slipped and got him. But the worst case scenario is the guy got injured and everything calmed down.
[00:16:13] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:16:13] Speaker A: Wow. They got interesting. That's a. That's a really interesting string of events there for everybody involved. What a brutal day as a cop, huh?
[00:16:23] Speaker B: He had to hang out 12 hours. I came on shift. You got to sit there, he's shouting, screaming, shooting gunshots through the rv.
It's just, you know,
[00:16:33] Speaker A: you just know your day's not getting better.
[00:16:35] Speaker B: No. They. By
[00:16:35] Speaker A: lunchtime, you're like, oh, boy.
[00:16:37] Speaker B: Yeah, we've tried a drone. We've tried a. You Know, an armored car. We've tried all these things, we haven't got them out.
[00:16:43] Speaker A: This is a good one. I like the positivity that I feel off of this one. Halifax police proposed budget freeze. The police proposed the budget freeze and no new officers for 27, 28.
[00:16:57] Speaker B: Hats off.
[00:16:57] Speaker A: Fascinating.
[00:16:58] Speaker B: Yeah, hats off. I thought this was. I. I threw this in as a story because, you know, in all the elections and everything, we were hearing a lot of criticism of police budgets, mayors not sitting on police boards. Well, you know what? Down in Halifax, this is a great story. The police department decided they did not need a budget increase with respect to staffing. They have a small increase.
Their budget is $103 million.
They have a small increase due to equipment aging and maintenance, but that was it. So I think it's like a 1% increase.
So hats off. And the. The officer or the.
That actually was asked to comment, made a. I thought was an interesting comment. He came back and said, hey, I wouldn't know what to do with the officers if you gave them to me.
[00:17:54] Speaker A: He doesn't need more staff,
[00:17:55] Speaker B: he doesn't need more
[00:17:56] Speaker A: managing crime in Halifax at the. At the maximum. Yeah. That's really wild. When's the last time you've heard that?
[00:18:03] Speaker B: No, we never hear it, quite frankly. It's, you know, and. And I thought that was interesting with everything going on and, and now, you know, we're about to see, I think, in the major cities, and this is.
I'm trying to find his name, led by Don McLean, the chief. Don McLean. And so, you know, good for him. I think it was a, you know, interesting comment and we just wanted
[00:18:28] Speaker A: to give him a
[00:18:28] Speaker B: shout
[00:18:29] Speaker A: out. That's a mentality, huh?
[00:18:30] Speaker B: Well,
[00:18:31] Speaker A: I don't know. What would I do with more budget? I'm good right now.
[00:18:33] Speaker B: Yeah,
[00:18:34] Speaker A: that's a real east coast mentality, isn't it?
[00:18:36] Speaker B: Well, there's nothing, no harm in that. Right. You know, he. And, you know, he made a comment, he said, listen, I see what's going on with budgets and how budget. How tight budgets are right now in the city. So rather than add stress, I'm just going to hold my budget steady.
[00:18:53] Speaker A: That's. There's
[00:18:54] Speaker B: a response. That's a responsible way to do things. Right?
[00:18:56] Speaker A: Yeah, very cool.
[00:18:57] Speaker B: Very responsible.
That's. That's a good news story.
[00:19:00] Speaker A: Well, listen, on that note, let me just flip the coin on the good news police chief story.
Todd Matsumoto was named permanent Surrey police chief After a lot of political nonsense going on, he was appointed to the permanent Chief Constable of Surrey Police Services after serving as interim Chief of police since 2026. June.
So he's been in there since summer.
The Surrey Police Board confirmed his appointment following a national recruitment process. So they. They went across the nation and they found him to be the best qualified one at the time.
Incoming Mayor Doug McCallum has criticized the decision, arguing that the outgoing police board should not have appointed a permanent chief just days before the newly elected city council took office.
Okay, okay, okay. So here's. I get it. But this guy came in in a terrible scenario, took over the position, has managed it all summer long, has gone through the vetting process.
With all due respect to Doug McCallum, reelected. I think he. I think he was a mayor at one point. Then he wasn't a mayor, now he's a mayor again.
[00:20:14] Speaker B: Yeah, it's been up and down Surrey.
[00:20:17] Speaker A: Surrey has enough issues. We need the police to focus on police work, not politics. Hey, before we go any further, please hit the subscribe button right now. If you want the raw debates, the full uncut conversations you won't see here, head straight to TPLMedia CA subscribe and lock in your membership. Trust me, you don't want to miss what happens behind the paywall. All right, back to the show.
[00:20:40] Speaker B: Yeah, well, it's interesting, Mike. So the comments below this story, which I thought were telling, really were critical of these two mayors, right? The incoming mayor and the previous mayor fighting again and the millions of dollars they spent in internal fighting rather than focusing on crime.
By
[00:20:59] Speaker A: the way, they have a leaky border right there in Surrey.
[00:21:02] Speaker B: I know. And so it's like comment after comment that says, you guys need to get your act together, focus on what you're doing, put the past behind, stop fighting. There's too much infighting politics. They don't ever focus on the true issues.
This, you know, actually comment after comment. So my comment on this one is, Doug, let's. Why don't we try to get back to work, you know, Mayor McCallum, let's try. Give
[00:21:28] Speaker A: the guy here. How's that?
[00:21:29] Speaker B: Yeah, give me a year if he doesn't work out. And you know what, Take a look at your numbers. Crime. And you know, I say not to saying it's easy, but recording of crimes and the statistics and the analytics that go into, you know, crime criminology nowadays are very advanced. Deploy some of them, watch how they move based on his performance. And there's your tell. It doesn't have to be personal all the time and it doesn't have to be about control.
And keeping a tab on everything. So, and then go and do your thing as a mayor. And that should be one of your many duties, quite frankly that you oversee or be involved in. But it shouldn't be your main focus right off the hop.
[00:22:11] Speaker A: No, there shouldn't be a political, there shouldn't be a headbutting on the first week at school in my opinion.
[00:22:16] Speaker B: No, it's a tough
[00:22:17] Speaker A: one. I leave probably one of the most shocking and saddest stories in to the end in the bridal path. As we went into the weekend, Torontonians, Ontarians and frankly Canadians I think were shocked to find that we had awoken to a four person injury scenario on a break in, in somebody's home.
Gunshots fired, a hammer used on the homeowners raging in, age between 71 and I think 28, 26, a family on the bridle path. One of the most secure neighborhoods that you'll find in Toronto. Certainly one of the most established, well heeled neighborhoods in the country.
And just the events there afterward, very, very sad.
Police describing life altering injuries to the, to the, some of the family members.
Certainly something they won't, they won't stop thinking about the rest of their lives, frankly.
Now we find out that the police have had an opportunity where somebody showed up with a gunshot wound to their shoulder on, within hours or within an hour of this break in and it didn't really get us any closer to an answer.
[00:23:42] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And the gentleman the police have identified, Dejean Richards, he's 23, he's at large still.
So they went to the hospital. The hospitals are required by, by law to actually inform the police of a gunshot wound. They went there, they didn't detain him.
So that's been something, you know, at every, I think over the weekend as I was moving around through Halloween and all the events and you know, that one was like the low buzz chatter is like, what the heck's going on?
[00:24:09] Speaker A: That happen?
[00:24:09] Speaker B: Yeah, and they're like, you know, and the other thing that people are starting to clue into, that's the 119th home invasion in Toronto this year so far and the year's not up. So like why so many home invasions? And quite frankly, you know, when the police actually correlate a gunshot wound to a place where guns were fired, they must have rights to detain,
[00:24:33] Speaker A: to detain somebody. Yeah.
[00:24:35] Speaker B: So there's a lot of questions around this one. I think, you know, there was a lot of, you know, I think the police came out pretty aggressively just saying, hey, we don't have. We didn't have enough evidence to detain. So therefore, you know, back off. We're going to do our best to get. But it's Monday now. So here's the criticism that's coming now is this happened on Friday, it's Monday, you had someone, you know, you identified someone, you came out and said that ended up being the person that was in the house. And now they're still at large. So.
[00:25:04] Speaker A: And the police are now out there saying, detain a lawyer, turn yourself in.
It's not exactly the strongest position the police left themselves in. They might have been better detaining against the rules and making sure they had the right person. But then again, you know.
[00:25:21] Speaker B: But you're.
[00:25:21] Speaker A: I can't put myself in the process. Mind of the police.
[00:25:27] Speaker B: Right. Well, I think that quite frankly, there's a little. Two things come to mind, Mike. We'd like to understand basically why they believe that they're unable to detain.
So what is the rationale, please? We'd love to have that conversation and maybe understand that a little better. And then once we understand that, maybe solicit or we all actually chat with our local politicians, say that needs to be changed. So those rules. So we need to lobby a change, if there's a legislative change that needs to happen to make sure this doesn't happen again.
But we can't just let them go.
That doesn't seem like a rational approach to this. So quite frankly, again, we have to go back and understand that one
[00:26:14] Speaker A: context is everything. I don't know what it transpired at that hospital with the police. I don't know if they actually interviewed him. We don't have that info.
But here he is in the wind all weekend long.
[00:26:27] Speaker B: Right. Right. And it's a pretty, you know, this one's a pretty tough one. I think out of all the home invasions that we've had this year in Toronto, this is probably the toughest one. To your point, to a good neighborhood, quite frankly. The fact that they went in, went up to their bedrooms, hit them over the head with hammers, shot them.
This one's one of those ones that everyone's like, ooh, you know, how do I protect myself?
You know, what is the process? You know, and, you know, I shout out to the guys, actually, again, you know, the less lethal story we did earlier on.
[00:26:59] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:59] Speaker B: You know, this is just another case in point why people need to start thinking about what to do in big cities when it comes to these things. So.
[00:27:07] Speaker A: Oh, I have Paul.
[00:27:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:27:09] Speaker A: Less lethal dossier
[00:27:11] Speaker B: yeah,
[00:27:11] Speaker A: leave it out there. No, no, but it's, it's.
[00:27:14] Speaker B: Listen, it's an interesting point because quite frankly now, now you have, you have a bunch of things going on. You have four people in hospital, you have three suspects at large. The four people are the people that can identify the three suspects. Quite frankly, they're the. And you have to now police trying to find them, bring them in, get them to admit, whether they'll admit or not. And then there has to be trials that take place. This is a long process now. This isn't a short process. And that's a challenge, quite frankly, for them going forward. Recovery is a challenge. And then quite frankly, the mental turmoil from having to go through these trials and these arrests, the mental turmoil from knowing that, quite frankly, these three individuals are still out there.
[00:27:59] Speaker A: Yeah, that would actually be terrifying to me. And I'd be very worried about my family.
Even if it wasn't rational that they.
[00:28:08] Speaker B: Why did they show up? Why did they pick me? Why am I. Why. Who's looking for me to be harmed? Right. So all those things are probably coming in their head and that, you know, we don't know why. I'm sure they don't know why.
So, you
[00:28:20] Speaker A: know, the other thing that comes to mind on this, when we get to that trial, when we get to the court, what are the charges and what do they actually get in the way of jail time for this kind of crime?
Home invasions need to be re examined by our courts in every province of this country.
[00:28:36] Speaker B: Or. Yeah, or. Well, or. You know, that's interesting because, you know, earlier on, I think our premier, the premier of Ontario actually, you know, applauded a gentleman who shot back at people entering their home. I think it was up in Vaughan, you know, I understood it. I understand why.
[00:28:56] Speaker A: I don't think we'll get Castle Law. But if we do ever get Castle Law, now is kind of the moment it might bubble to the top.
[00:29:04] Speaker B: But again, Mike, I think we are at that tipping point where we have to figure out what we're doing.
If police don't have the ability to arrest people who are doing home invasions after getting at the hospital, shot directly, or detain them, forget arrest, detain, then that's one issue. If it's that bad, quite frankly, then we need to talk about what, how people protect themselves in their own homes. And then that's another thing. So there's, you know, this is a, this is a complicated, complicated conversation. I think it needs to be unwrapped.
[00:29:38] Speaker A: I would agree. I think that probably we're at a place right now where enough Canadians are scared every day.
In a country we never felt that way before.
[00:29:48] Speaker B: I agree.
[00:29:49] Speaker A: Okay, thanks. There's your crime report. We do it every week.
Please don't forget. Well, we'll tell you on the way out. You should subscribe. Thank you.
